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Ahlan wa sahlan My name is Saad Tamam. I am a Zionist Arab. Every day I take out the Qur'an and I pray to Allah the most compassionate that there shall be peace on earth in the name of Zionism. Praise Allah, Praise Mohammed, Praise the Qur’an and Praise Zionism. INSHA’ALLAH


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I suffer more than you ever did in your life, i suffer more than a cancer disease, and more than a brain operation. it hurts seeing those Palestinian young men arrested at the check-point for particularly no reason. is it wrong to go to work? is it wrong to go out to jerusalem? is it wrong to be a palestinian? i don't ever think so. it aches standing in queue for more than two hours every morning, in order to aquire knowledge and find a better weapon to fight with for producing PEACE! this is a country that BOTH parties, israelies AND Palestinians have a complete right to live in. we can make two peoples, and two states live together in one country. it's not hard. Jesus could turn water into wine, what's hard in uniting two peoples together? there is no difficulty at all, i believe. no one can ever force me to accept the fact that palestinians are only those who carry guns, or who commit suicide bombing, but look around you... there is a big percentage of palestinians, who are the majoritie, that fight for freedom through ,maybe a slower but more active, weapon that is KNOWLEDGE. i believe in this... and i'll work hard on improving it as much as possible to come up with new ideas of how to find a solution for both forces. what was said in this website is mostly untrue (i'm leaving a comment, if you may) and i beg your pardon to object on a lot of stuff that are written.... the truth is not that israelies are the innocent ones at the end of the day, nor that the palestinians are those terrorists. but no the truth is:- we are poor people, and we haven't got enought education, in general, but this does not dispy the fact that we, palestinians, most of us, do will for freedom,,, or no if i may say candidly, will for peace and justice. how? STOP "what you call" THIS APARTHEID WALL. TALK TO THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT, AND THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT, but donot plant wrong ideas in the world's mind, because more than 60% of israelies AIM for Peace and, as i mentioned before, a huge percentage of Palestinians do wish for that. "suicide Bombers+ terrorists does not equal to Palestine, and Peace makers+ cryers on lovers does not equal to Israel... you can find of those terrorists between the Jews, and 20000 people for the palestinian people have died in the last few years... this means that palestinians do have the sense of love, caring, sadness for deaths, forgivness, hope and peace not hatered or "jihad" the same applies to the israelies, it's true they HAVE lost few of their relatives, but em,,, excuse me... what caused the death of those 20000 palestinians? i'm afraid it was the israeli influence. i think i gotta go to sleep. but please think about it. some truths are still hidden... you have to show the other majority of those who are palestinians, for we haven't got a BIG BIG chance to show.......... Mai Mourad. Bethlehem. 14 years old. Schmidt's Girls' college, Jerusalem. exuse me for any spelling mistake but it's now 12:58am. Goodnight


Date:
08 Dec 2003
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This is great information. I have always wanted to learn more. Thank God for your website. I now know a lot more, Thanks.


Date:
18 Mar 2003
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16:09

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Good site very infomative and gives both sides the chance to express their own views. Need more sites like this one. Keep it up


Date:
12 Mar 2003
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00:03

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I believe the fanatics on both sides are doing the cause no good at all. Sharon the butcher of beruite if he isnt an indited war criminal he should be. and the fanatical followers of hamas and other terrorist groups on the palastinian side are I believe not only hurting the cause of pallistinian independence but feeding the far-right in israel


Date:
26 May 2002
Time:
13:48

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i think this is a great web site; keep it up(from Isaac Rtessami, new york city)


Date:
26 May 2002
Time:
13:47

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I THINK THIS IS A GREAT WEB SITE; KEEP THIS UP


Truth is the LAST thing you are interested in. At least you can't fool the world anymore. Israel has shown their true face. Whining about the holocast won't be enough to justify the war crimes anymore. Yeah, the holocast was awful but guess what? The Palestinians didn't do it! If that is your excuse - go steal homes and land in Germany. I'm just glad that the truth is coming out. The sooner Israel ceases to exist, the better.


20 Apr 2002, 18:36

hey so what would u say about the butchering that is going on now, mr. "Peace Seeker" i guess the mask is falling off the ugly face of Israel afterall isnt it?!! one more thing before i go, i guess u should learn how to respect others' opinions even if it went gainst your own, u should stop mking fun of people, calling them names just because they view things differently.... THNKS Nesrine El-Etriby Egypt


19 Apr 2002, 12:29

Injecting properganda into the minds of the public will not hide the true facts. Surely, the 'jews' are experts in creating and distributing properganda. How can Isreal expect to end suicide bombers when its hands are soaked with the blood of tens of hundreds of INNOCENT civilians? Civilians including women, children and old people. They (the Isrealis), preach peace yet INVADE sensitive areas. Sharon is playing a very-high-risk gamble with the lifes of innocent people, the consequences will be higher. Surely what Isreal has done in Jenin is unjustified. Compare Jenin,(and other parts of Palastine) to the destruction of the world trade centre. Only then can you see the true face of Isreali violence.


13 Apr 2002, 04:47

I'm a mexican catholic not that it matters. But its obvious to tell that the media sides the Israel government. And I sympatheis with the palestinians this web site has opened my eyes.I dont believe everything thing i hear in the news now.


10 Apr 2002, 04:58

Hi I am a doctor from India I hate terrorist they dont know any langauge except terrorise fellow human being Dr Sharma


08 Apr 2002, 14:38

I have a seventeen year old son who has just told me of watching film on the TV news last night of a seventeen year old Palesinian having been shot in the legs by Israeli forces who proceeded to use his injured body as bait with which to entice his would be rescuers to their death at the hands of Israeli machinegunners. Sharron remains a war criminal.


Lilo, Lilo@standingwithisrael.org
05 April, 2002, 05:40

This is truly a wonderful website! Keep up the good work.

Lilo, from http://www.standingwithisrael.org


James
05 April, 2002, 00:36

I find your completely one-sided point of view interesting. For a society of people who have known what it is like to have no home, and what it is like to be persecuted, to commit the acts that are being committed is puzzling. For those same people to act like victims is wrong. I am not saying that Palestinians are right, either, just that your arguement is self-destructive and illogical.


Tom Sullivan
04 April, 2002, 21:57

we should stop the violence and keep the peace. its all israles fult


scott, spat012@hotmail.com
04 April, 2002, 21:18

It is good that amongst the millions of pro palistinian sites there are also pro Israeli sites. Even if you are a little biased. Just like in the british/american system of law it is nessercary to have both the proponant of the procecution and the proponant of the defense and both must argue their case strongly for the truth to emerge. Besides that I consider your site to be quite well designed. congradulations.


04 April, 2002, 15:59

Original statement is:
"I see that author of this site learned much from Goebbels. i hope you'll finish like him and his "friends"."
You replied:
"Minutes earlier, this person wrote "You learned well from Hitler !!" He obviously doesn't know much about Hitler."
and you didnīt publish the original statement.

What does this mean?
1. you censor
2. you lie (Hitler is not Goebbels)
You definitely didnīt tell the truth in this case.

Your webpage is one sided. It doesnīt tell the whole truth. It tells the truth about Palestinian cruelties. But it doesnīt tell the truth about Israeli cruelties. And there are lots of them. Just turn on TV.


04 April, 2002, 13:09

I see that author of this site learned much from Goebbels. i hope you'll finish like him and his "friends".


04 April, 2002, 08:40

"The second is that they bombed the British who had no intention of staying in the region."
Of course Israelis only use violence because of their honorably intention. Do you really believe that?

Sharon is the most honorable Israeli:
Member of Haganah and killer of British soldiers, 1954 killer of many civilists in Qibya, 1982 he caused killing of many civilist in refugee camps Sabra and Shatila, 2000 to 2002 again responsible for killing many civilists (list is not complete).
Sharonīs aim for decades is not to integrate Palestinians but to deport them to Jordan or anywhere else.

I understand why he is called "Bulldozer".

Arafat is as incredible as Sharon. He also killed and kills civilists - he is a hardliner like Sharon.

If both say "peace" they mean "wipe out".
That guarantees a peaceful future in the Middle East...

By the way, donīt try to tell me, Sharon just wants safety for Israel. His history tells the real truth. He supported settlement during 70's and 80's in the Westbank area in order to prevent to give back the occupied* area to the Palestinians. He destroys police stations as well as ANY infrastructure in Westbank. He wants to establish a Israel state without any Palestinians.

* occupied: remember history. Palestine was an area with about 1 million inhabitants at the beginning of the 20th century. Zionists claimed that land "without people" (1 million people are nothing? - itīs definitely NOT true that this area was empty) for people without land (themselves). I donīt wonder the inhabitants living there didnīt feel lucky because of the UN partition plan. Partition of a country and giving a part away to other sovereigns causes trouble, because the inhabitants feel occupied. Palestinians didnīt call themselves Palestinians before 1960's. But that doesnīt matter. They have got a right to live there. The war forced them to flee in 1948, not the Arabs like you claim. Donīt tell me Arabs began the war and the refugee tragedy is their fault - it is clear that they had to fight occupation. What would Israel feel like if UN suddenly wants to part the country because they plan to settle any kind of people there? A settlement in that region about 2000 years ago is not a acceptable reason for anybody living there now.
Stop - I donīt want to claim itīs fault of Israel.
Pogroms, blood libels, antisemitism, holocaust during the past several hundred years in Europe made it necessary to find a solution.
But establishing Israel was done in such a unsensitive way. No wonder there are lots of troubles.


04 April, 2002, 05:00

Who bombed the King David Hotel, and other sites back in the 40's ????

The star of David is made up of many broken crosses.

Shame Shame Shame


04 April, 2002, 04:15

I've noticed that almost all pro-Israel comments are well thought out and intelligently written.  Anti-Israel comments include ignorant assumptions and half truths (not to mention countless spelling errors).  It is clear that those who are against Israel are blinded by hate, or do not have the education to allow them a credible opinion.


04 April, 2002, 04:10

Palestinian children believe in their cause because they are forced to. 

Israeli children believe in their cause as a result of education, reason and faith.

LONG LIVE ISRAEL


04 April, 2002, 03:25

 hey
  love your site and most of all i love the jewish people god gave this land to the jews ill pray for you isreal                    thanks darrell


04 April, 2002, 02:55

stand proud Israel your savior is coming soon


04 April, 2002, 00:26

I'm an American Christian and I will continue to write my elected officials and tell everyone I know
to support Isreal. It is so pathetic that since no Arab army could win a straight up military fight since the middle ages they must resort to attacking unsuspecting women, children, and civilians. These bloodthirsty, murderious, and savage acts against Isreal must be dealt with once and for all. President Bush must wise up and forget trying to make deals with savages who hate Isreal and America. Instead he should encourage Isreal to drive out the enemy and let them join their so called brothers in the rest of the middle east.


03 April, 2002, 22:35

The Search for Truth in the Middle East is over:

There will be peace with the Isrealis when they will love their common sense more than they hate Palestinians.


03 April, 2002, 21:27

"We will have peace with the Arabs
when they will love their children more than they hate us."
         -Golda Meir


03 April, 2002, 08:13:17 PM

Israel for Anthrax*-area !!!

Palestine for freedom !!!


* Brought to you by your American friends. All Anthrax incidents in the US were caused by - guess - US-Anthrax, not by Osama's bloody terrorists.


03 April, 2002, 20:06

Scharon is a war criminal.
Send him to Den Haag.
Milosevic is keen on meeting his old friend.


03 April, 2002, 19:59

Israel soldiers catch terrorists*:

They destroy cars BESIDE the street,
they destroy water pipes without any need,
shoot at people who want to help the people in the occupied area
and so on and so on.

*What a big lie.


03 April, 2002, 19:46

This site is a GREAT LIE and the host is a liar, I guess he is an israelian guy who enjoy watching the blood bleeding from the faces of the palastinian kids. don't you ever seen the israelian soldires braking the bones of the youth? don't you ever seen the brave soldires while beating the women? be fair .. stop lying.


03 April, 2002, 18:49

Your Friend Laury sent me to your site and I Thank
her for it! We must stand together for the sake of
Israel. I am a gentile Christian and have a big heart for Israel and what our country America is doing is outrageous. I have designed three websites
with most of the same information you have here. Let's Stand in Support of Israel in our Actions and
our Deeds. `Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalayim~ Joan Hunt


03 April, 2002, 18:10

I am so glad to have found your website! I am from the USA, and I, along with many others in America are supporters of Israel. We believe Israel is a peaceful nation, and Arafat and his Arab friends have lied many times to try and make Israel look bad. But we know better! We know you are a peaceful democracy and are threatened by a "Goliath" of a nation of violent people. But remember, God loves Israel and will protect you. He will make Israel like "David", and you will slay your enemies! So keep the faith! Don't give up - and don't give land to the PLO. They will never stop if you give in to their demands and terrorism.
They must be stopped miraculously, where God will work through the Israeli's ( just like He did with David), so you can smash your enemies!
 Fast and pray, oh Israel. We are on our knees with you.
Your friend, Laurel


03 April, 2002, 17:51

And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a thousand thousand fold. The din of a million stones like unto a great storm shall cover Israel, and the followers of Sharon shall tremble


04 Apr 2002, 16:36

This site is a blessing and a great resource for knowledge and enlightenment. I've already used some of the information gleaned from the site in debates with PLO sympathizers Keep up the great work and May God Bless You! Jeff Brewer 3743 Sudley Ford Ct. Fairfax, VA 22033


03 Apr 2002, 08:44

Superb information that I have verified through Independent sources, keep up telling the TRUTH. J.J.JANOS, III


02 Apr 2002, 11:12

VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT THE WORLD SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF. NOA MILLER


02 Apr 2002, 11:10

Making war against Palestinians is as idiotic as suicide bombings against Israelis. Middle East is an area full of "religious" people. Everybody believes their God gave them the right to live there. No matter history has changed the past two thousand years. So I donīt wonder about the situation. There is only one who will survive: GOD. But not the people living there - until YOU (and everybody) are willing to change your mind.


01 Apr 2002, 16:21

You are trying to do a good job<br><br> <b>Truth is what really happens.</b>


01 Apr 2002, 05:38

Thereīs often an error message while trying to view your pages. The message is about like this: Tripod suspended access to your site because of excessive bandwidth consumption. Please try again in 1 or 2 hours.


30 Mar 2002, 22:48

God Bless Israel and the capital of Israel -Jerusalem, may it of the Jews. As a christain, I consider myself a Zionist. This is my first visit, I'm hopeing to find information on arab infiltration and populations, priot and AFTER the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Jon Dienlin, Albuquerque, New Mexico, U.S.A.


30 Mar 2002, 12:41

Palestinians do homicide bombings and other cruelties, Israel answers with sending tanks and F16 and destroying palestinian buildings and shooting stone-throwing kids. There is no excuse for any violence, whatever the reason is: disadvantage, desperation, reestablishing law and order, ... Violence is a vicious circle. Violence is answered with violence is answered with violence and so on. There is so much hate and intolerance on BOTH sides. Iīm always shocked and helpless when I read newspapers or watch TV and get news about Israel-Palestinian conflict. I still donīt understand many matters of that conflict. E.g. I donīt understand why Palestinians donīt want to accept Isreal as a neighbour. E.g. I donīt understand the reason of Israelian settlements in Westbank territory. In my opinion there should be made a strict separation. OK, Isreal has to give up settlements, but about 50 years ago, many Palestinians had to give up their land, too. Israel should leave Westbank completely, and UN Forces take military control of that area, which should become the State of Palestina. Palestina should not be allowed to establish an army until there is a good neighbourship between Israel and Palestina. This could be the beginning of a peaceful living side by side - or even better, living together. But until there are hardliners on both sides, there is no chance for any solution, whatever it will be. Thatīs what makes the conflict so difficult - and it makes me really sad. (Note: I donīt claim my suggestion is a really good one - itīs just my opinion)


30 Mar 2002, 11:47

Palestinians do homicide bombings and other cruelties, Israel answers with sending tanks and F16 and destroying palestinian buildings and shooting stone-throwing kids. There is no excuse for any violence, whatever the reason is: disadvantage, desperation, reestablishing law and order, ... Violence is a vicious circle. Violence is answered with violence is answered with violence and so on. There is so much hate and intolerance on BOTH sides. Iīm always shocked and helpless when I read newspapers or watch TV and get news about Israel-Palestinian conflict. I still donīt understand many matters of that conflict. E.g. I donīt understand why Palestinians donīt want to accept Isreal as a neighbour. E.g. I donīt understand the reason of Israelian settlements in Westbank territory. In my opinion there should be made a strict separation. OK, Isreal has to give up settlements, but about 50 years ago, many Palestinians had to give up their land, too. Israel should leave Westbank completely, and UN Forces take military control of that area, which should become the State of Palestina. Palestina should not be allowed to establish an army until there is a good neighbourship between Israel and Palestina. This could be the beginning of a peaceful living side by side - or even better, living together. But until there are hardliners on both sides, there is no chance for any solution, whatever it will be. Thatīs what makes the conflict so difficult - and it makes me really sad. (Note: I donīt claim my suggestion is a really good one - itīs just my opinion)


28 Mar 2002, 20:23

Your site is exceptionally well done. Thank you for the well-documented information. We need more to view your site and recognize the deception of Arafat and his followers- please know that we (many of us Catholics) know the truth and are praying for you. If you have any suggestions on how we can help (volunteering, fund raising, etc.) please let me know. In solidarity, Dick Wartman (cuttertrading@prodigy.net)


26 Mar 2002, 22:56

If the negotiations don't start until the violence stops, and the violence never stops, what are we supposed to do to stop it? Israel can't survive forever the way it is now.

The violence will only stop when the Arabs are crushed in war.  Brute force seems to be the only way to show the Arabs who is boss.  The Arab countries just cannot be trusted - they've lied too many times in the past for Israel to trust them.


26 Mar 2002, 15:21

Boy, this site sure looks to be ONE SIDED. And it sure has acceptable measures proposed to end the violence in the middle east (not). This site points the blame at everyone else. 

That's interesting.  I think I've mentioned many times how Israel is at fault too.

Are you the only perfect being in this world?? 

Of course not.  Are you?

As someone who is neutral in this conflict. This site assures me that in no way will Isreal ever stop the violence. 

Tell me, who started the violence?  Do you remember September 28, 2000?  Who began the intifada?

Since this site loves quotes, I will leave you with this: "Did you want to kill him, Buck? Well, I bet I did. What did he do to you? Him? He never done nothing to me. Well, then, what did you want to kill him for? Why, nothing-only it's on account of the feud. What's a fued? Why, where was you raised? Don't you know what a fued is? Never heard of it before-tell me about it. Well, says Buck, a fued is this way: A man has a quarrel with another man, and kills him, then that other man's brother kills him, then the other brothers, on boths sides, goes for one another, then the cousins chip in-and by and by everybody's killed off, and there aint' no more feud. But its kind of slow and takes a long time. Has this one been going on long, Buck? Well, I should reckon! It started thiry years ago, or som'ers along there. There was trouble 'bout something, and then a lawsuit to settle it, and the suit went agin one of the men, and so he up and shot the man that won the suit-which he would naturally do, of course. Anybody would. What was the trouble about, Buck? - Land? I reckon, maybe-I don't know. Well, who dont the shotting? Was it a Grangerford or a Shepherdson? Laws, how do I know? It was so long ago. Don't anybody know? Oh, yes, pa knows, I reckon, and some of the other old people, but they don't know now what the row was about in the first place." -Mark Twain, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn 

Well, thank you for the beautiful quote.   The only problem is that this scenario doesn't take into consideration a killer that is messed up enough to strap explosives to his body and kill himself for the cause.

Hopefully the violence will not go on forever.....

I agree.


26 Mar 2002, 10:59

I am unclear what Right Wing Solution you are proposing to end the violence. Short of expelling all of the Arabs from Israel, how can you expect peace in the region without Israel making some concessions?  

Of course Israel has to make concessions.  They made plenty of concessions at the "peace" talks at Camp David in 2000.  

Regardless of whether or not the Palestinians have a legitimate claim to any land in Israel for their own state, how could we ever even have the hope for peace in the region without giving it to them eventually? 

Right now, since there is no Palestinian state, Israel can go into West Bank and Gaza towns and attempt to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure.  If there is a Palestinian state, that action would be an act of war.  That's why Israel can't allow a Palestinian state - because it will be a terrorist entity, as it is now, but Israel will have no control over it.  Israel intercepts a large number of the weapons that are smuggled into the Palestinian towns now.  Imagine they couldn't intercept the weapons anymore.  It would lead to the destruction of Israel.

Let's say the Palestinians keep to their word and halt the terrorism for two months, are you saying that we should still not negotiate with them?

If the Palestinian Authority shows that it can squash terrorism and build a modern society, then yes, Israel should negotiate with them.  Until the PA demonstrates that it is not a terrorist entity (and that will take many years), Israel should not even sit down in the same room with them.  Read the quotes - the PA wants to destroy Israel!  Until they change their minds, there will never be peace.


26 Mar 2002, 10:42

Why, over the last thousands of years, Jews have been persecuted & expulsed, in Europe, the Middle East & Africa ? Why anti-Semitism ?

That's one thing Jew are continually asking themselves.  I don't know if anybody has an answer, other than the religious answer - G-d will help us, once we turn to him.


26 Mar 2002, 7:04

this letter is less directly at the palestinians breaking their promises (because it's quite clear they break it more times than preety much anyone in history). But i can't say that i agree with your writing of things like "Evil Peres", 'evil left-wing'... fair enough big mistakes were made but don't forget several things: The madrid conferences in which Israelis talked with Palestinians for the first proper time (in which the palestinians were OBVIOUSLY acting on behalf of Arafat, since he wasn't personally allowed in), was done under the leadership of the 'right wing'. Shamir and the likud were very much invovled in these talks.... it's quite well known that the madrid conferences were the starting point for the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.... so you can't just pin the -full- blame on Rabin and Peres since they were only invovled in the continuation that the right-wingers began. 

It may very well be true that the Likud began the negotiations under Shamir, but that was likely more because of American pressure, rather than them actually wanting too.  I  also don't believe that Likud would ever support arming of the Palestinians.  I do agree that the FULL blame cannot be put on Rabin or Peres.

Having said that even if you believe it's all their fault, Peres has been instrumental throughout Israeli history in helping the state thrive and grow. He was also instrumental in getting the Israeli army and intelligence in order in the early years... whatever your opinion (and whatever my opinion) of him now, whether you think he's gone coo-koo or whatever, i don't appriciate the fact that one of Israel's most important politicians (lets not forget that he was possably the most important player in getting israel out of it's economic disaster in the 80's which was partially a result of right-wing governments economic policies) is degraded like that by Pro-israelis. To some extent the same applies to Rabin. 

I'm sure Peres has done good things in the past, but his actions now are going to destroy Israel.  What kind of idiotic idea is it to arm your enemy that wants your destruction?

I'm not too concerned with Beilin since he's done less for the state but I don't think you should be degrading some of this states greatest leaders, even if you believe they did, and still are, making a mistake... "Evil" is just no way to address these people regardless of what you think of them. It's not like you can claim you've (at some points singlehandedly) been invovled in deciding the way forward in Entebbe, in the Mossad's structure, in the economy when inflation was going up by well over 100%, in the defense of israel in the 70's (when he was minister of Defense and he was directly invovled in blocking attemps by Rabin to open up routes in the west bank and gaza for a possable peace... note that Peres created military 'manouvers' which made Rabin's ideas impossible), not like you were invovled in convincing Israel's side of the stories to countless countries on countless occasions... it's easy to get angry at people who you don't agree with but you mustn't take away from things they've achieved and degrade them to "simple idiot's"... Peres' track record says he's anything but an idiot. 

He has done alot for the country in the past, but again, he's on the path to destroying the country NOW.

I'm not saying I support him blindly, far from it, I too think he's wrong at the moment (but note that he told cheney not too meet with arafat as arafat doesn't deserve it) but thinking he's wrong and that he shouldn't be allowed to singlehandedly steer Israel towards what we both believe is a completely false peace doesn't justify calling someone Evil. 

If he's deluding people into thinking there can be peace, which we both agree cannot be a real peace, then he is evil.

It's that kind of rhetoric (along with "traitor") that got Rabin assassinated by some freak who didn't help save israel even 1,000,000,000,000th as much as Rabin did in his earlier years.

I'm not one normally to believe in conspiracy theories, but I'm not so sure that Yigal Amir was the actual killer of Yitzchak Rabin.

Thanks for your note.  You have reminded me alot of what I have forgotten about past Israeli politics.  However, I still feel that anybody pushing for peace these days, in today's state of affairs is dead wrong.  There are certain enemies you cannot appease - just like the Allies couldn't make peace with Hitler, Israel shouldn't make peace with the Palestinians.  At least not yet.


26 Mar 2002, 6:43

So if "Left Wing" type groups such as Peace Now are ineffective and naive, what is a good right wing solution to the violence? 

The first goal is to stop giving the enemy what they want - concessions.  Unfortunately John Podhoretz is right.  Israel seems to always get pressured by the US.  While the US is, thank goodness, always standing up for Israel, it is also forcing Israel to make concessions, while the Palestinians break promise after promise.  The US must stop forcing Israeli concessions, until the PA meets some of the US's demands.  I mean, how long has the US been saying that the PA must stop acts of terrorism?  Does anybody realize how long it's been?  

Of course, another thing that Israel has to do, is to get rid of the evil Shimon Peres, Yossi Beilin and the left wing that favours peace with the PA - a peace that will ultimately destroy the State of Israel.  This is the same left wing that armed the Palestinians and gave them the hope of a Palestinian state.  They've helped create a monster.  To read about other evils of the left wing, read Feeding the Mouth that Bites.

Sure Israel has the upper hand when it comes to the military but you can't drive all the Arabs out of the country. 

Why not?  I'm not saying I favour it, but Arabs have no trouble talking about destroying Israel.  Why can't we talk about driving the Arabs out?  Oh yeah, we have Jewish morals...

It is all too clear that the Arab countries as well as the Palestinians are only after the destruction of Israel... Knowing that this is and always will be their main goal, how do we improve the conditions in Israel?

Again, read Feeding the Mouth that Bites.  While there is much evil coming from the Palestinians, there is evil within Israel.  If that evil is not removed, Israel will cease to exist in the next 15-20 years.  If Israel gets leaders that really care about the welfare of the people and the country, and don't assist the enemy, we will have taken the first step.


25 Mar 2002, 22:42

I am sorry to inform you, but your page consists mostly of lies and half truths.

It's easy to make claims that I am lying.  It is impossible to prove me wrong, because I am right.


24 Mar 2002, 03:43

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The original message was about 1000 lines like this.  That's mature...


21 Mar 2002, 10:55

Thank you for this fantastic site! I am neither a Jew nor an Arab (Scottish and Irish actually ), so I do not have any built in bias. I have come to the conclusion, however that Arafat and his followers must be stopped at all cost. 

You're one of the few wise people that aren't driven by anti-Semitism.  There is no logic in people's support for a Palestinian state.  Negotiations were well underway and then suddenly the violence began.  Israel is subsequently blamed for the loss of life.  It just doesn't make sense.

In perusing your comments it is apparent you are very capable at identifying ridiculous arguments, so I will not add my two cents worth. I would like to know how I could be of help, if at all. Would you direct me to some appropriate sites? signed: warrior against terrorism and incivility. Canada

Please leave feedback with your email address.  We'll take it up from there!  Thanks for the offer.


21 Mar 2002, 00:43

Will there ever come a point where Israel will just get so fed up with Arafat and his peace promises? How can they honestly feel comfortable making any sort of negotiation with him knowing what he stands for and what he has done and said in the past?

I agree with you completely, but then you have the ignorant portion of Israeli population who seem to think peace by negotiation is an option.  They're the ones that armed the Palestinians, and if they're not stopped, Israel will be destroyed.  Read "Feeding the Mouth that Bites" to understand why the "left-wing" under Shimon Peres and Peace Now is evil.  I bet most Peace Now activists don't even know what they're doing.


20 Mar 2002, 08:17

I looked at your page with interest and read most of the data that you have supplied. I am very interested and fully abreast of the middle east issues since it is a subject that effects every civilized person on the planet (or at least it should do) I would like to further add that I am neither Jew or Muslim so therefore I am biast to neither religion. 

You don't have to be a Muslim or Jew to be biased.

Because of this I would like to offer my own "un-biast" views of the tragedy that has been unfolding in the area for years. It seems that you are looking at the problem from your religious point of view and that in itself will cloud your conception of the problem. This is not a religious problem, but a problem between two peoples who are fighting for one piece of land. 

Of course it's a religious battle.  Jew are there because the land was given to them by G-d.  If G-d didn't give the Jews the land, they wouldn't be there.  As for the Palestinian side, do a search for Dar-al-Islam.  Muslims don't care about numbers of adherents - they care about land that is under Sharia law.  It kills them that Israel isn't under Sharia law.  And you're a fool if you don't think this is a religious battle.

Are we not all God's children, whether we are Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddist or Hindu? I think we are. So, pushing religion to one side and looking at the root of the problem, historically the Arabs were in Palistine long before the Jews (regardless of the Jews nationality). 

Actually, there has always been a Jewish presence in the land that is now Israel.  The reason why they weren't there before is because they were forcibly kicked out - twice.

The first influx of nationals who were Jewish came from Russia at the end of the 1800's.  Actually the time period was between 1880 to the end of the 1890's. Many of these people stopped in Austria, thus the large Jewish presence became evident there. 

First influx, but there were Jews there before.  Why don't you see what historians like Mark Twain had to say about "Palestine" in the mid 1800's - he described it as "“ ...[a] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.” [Innocents Abroad, http://www.shechem.org/machon/mtwain/]

Nazi Germany caused more Jewish Germans and other nationalities to move to the area, but still the majority of people in the area were Arabs. 

Again, the land was largely uninhabited.  And many of the Arabs that did move to the area were attracted by the business possibilities of the large Jewish presence.  It's documented in history books - do some reading.

As we are all aware the multinational conglomerate of individuals who had moved to Palistine and were of the Jewish faith demanded their own state. Israel was born, and it was born at the expense of the Palastinians, since lands that belonged to Palistine were now given the new name of Israel. 

The Palestinians never had a land there, and I repeat, most of the land was barren.  Most of today's "Palestinians" are Lebanese, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis and Egyptians.

As a state, not as Jewish people, Israel has expanded its boarders and are continueing to do so with any method at their disposal, this encroachment on a land where large areas have already been taken from the Palistinians can only cause violence where diplomatic endevours have failed. 

So, you're blaming the expansion of Israel on the Jews?  Considering the Arabs attacked first, wouldn't you think it was their responsibility to secure the land?  They lost the war and therefore they should suffer the consequences.  Just like the current war, the Palestinians began it - therefore they have no right to complain about the consequences.

Violence unfortunately begets violence and this fuels hatred amoung the people. 

So does propaganda.

To stop the problem would be for Israel to return the lands thay have "stolen" from the Palistinians since Israel was born and let the government of Israel look at Israel and not their neighbors land. 

What do you define as "Palestinian" land?  West Bank?  Gaza?  Or all of Israel proper?

Historically, and more than likely morally, Israel is wrong and the Palistinians will fight for what is theirs.

Apparently you don't know your history too well.


19 Mar 2002, 23:24

hey...well i read ur stuff over here...i wanna make couple of comment... first off..i have studyed alot about this subject...and i mean ALOT. 

You must have studied a whole two or three hours.

i am an american so iv heard alot about this through people who are not palestinian nor israli... 

So, what's the point?

now first off...for the 20 truths... as you quote on the homepage...keep telling the lie and soonor or later theyll belive you...well the world belived you are you happy? 

Again, there are no lies on this homepage.  If you find something that you think is a lie, point it out to me, show me proof that it is untrue (good, reliable proof).  What did the world believe us about?  That we had a right to live?  Gee, thanks.

Israel did not live in that land first it was the arabs. jewish people used to live there too but it was mostly made up of Arabs...thats why it was called Palestin. 

Wow, you really are ignorant.  The land was named Palestine by the Romans.  The Philistines were an ancient tribe, unrelated to the Arabs, the descendents of Ishmael.

now the jews came in when the Nazi thing was going on, England was occuping palestin when that was going on and they alowed the jews to come in the land...

Actually, Britain made it quite hard for Jews to enter.

sooner or later both the palestinans and the jews got into a conflict..(jews and arabs have always been in fights since islam was istablished) and sooner or later jews took over the land!... 

That's quite the simplification of history.  Do you happen to remember who began the 1948 war, the 1956 war, the 1967 war and the 1973 war?  It is widely accepted that the Arabs began those wars.

know about the muslims pray with there backs toward juruslim...this is not true at all!!! muslims used to pry toward juruslim long ago and even the prophet was prying toward it...then he got a message from god saying to pry toward the kaba so he goes to the medina and does so...then the jews wonder why would he do this. then he got a message saying that he should pry toward kaba from now on because he does not want us muslims to pry toward the same thing as the jews... 

So the end result is that many Muslims, between Israel and Saudi Arabia pray with their backs to Jerusalem.  The idea is that they don't face it when they pray - Jews do.  Oh, and the idea of facing a certain site when praying is a Jewish idea.

so before saying all this crap about how the arabs are liers please study ur information because i wanna know where u got it from...so far every thing i talked about is in the Koran and the Torah..also in many many history books and documentorys...so agian check ur sorce and dont make one up i would like you to respond to that message.. 

I can source every bit of information on this site.  I bet you can't even source information in your message here.

thank you AKA Hershey Bar

Why didn't you give me an address for me to respond to?


19 Mar 2002, 01:46

what a pack of horseshit

What are you referring to?


16 Mar 2002, 17:36

I really liked this sight... but the one thing I am wondering is... why did Palestine react in the first place?

Are you talking about September 2000?  It's because Yasser Arafat's long term goal is to destroy Israel.  He got all the demands that he was "looking for" in 2000, despite thinking that Israel would never make him the offer he couldn't refuse.  Ehud Barak went out on a limb and did just that.  Yasser Arafat has his back against the wall when he rejected the offer and the only way to detract attention from him was to initiate unrest, knowing that Palestinians would die.  To Yasser Arafat, Palestinian life is cheap - he's willing to have thousands of Palestinians killed so that he can reach his goal of destroying Israel.  How many people actually remember that it was Yasser Arafat that cut off negotiations in the year 2000, before he began his war?  In case you're skeptical of Yasser Arafat's involvement in initiating this war, go to the quotes page and read the comment from Imad Falouji, stating Arafat's strategic decision to initiate violence after then end of Camp David. 


16 Mar 2002, 13:58

Taken from your so called "20 Truths" page: "8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem." Yes it's the truth that Jews pray facing Jerusalem and Muslim not. Your point?. 

My point?  Isn't it rather obvious?  Jerusalem has no significance to Muslims.  However, Jerusalem is the center of G-dliness to Jews. 

Either you're stupid or snobbish, or too blinded by your hatred towards ALL Muslims and not just the palentinian people. 

Really?  That's quite a statement, considering you don't even know me.  How do you think Muslims would consider a Jew saying that Mecca was a holy city to Jews?  It's the equivalent to scenario.

Go figure where Muslim face when they pray?. What a lame comparison abt the truth on your part dude.

Really?  I think it's rather significant.  If something is holy to you, pray towards it.  If you don't pray towards it, then stop claiming it's holy to you.


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